With his everybody-is-to-blame response to the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, President Trump officially became the leader of white nationalists, American Nazis, neo-Confederates, anti-semitics and alt-right haters across the nation.
And it seemed almost intentional.
I say that because he had a clear and easy choice: Place the blame where it belongs on the haters, bigots and white-lives-matter-too whiners who flocked to poor Charlottesville for the White Nationalist rally, which resulted in one dead and scores injured.
Or blame them AND the anti-hatred protesters who turned out to stop them.
With the entire studio audience screaming “Pick No. 1, pick No. 1!” Trump, of course, chose what was behind curtain No. 2, saying “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. On many sides. It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time.”
It was an odd statement on many levels. Let’s dissect.
First, he used the word “egregious.” Does that sound like the word choice of a guy who doesn’t seem to know more than three adjectives – great, bad and tremendous? Somebody hired a speechwriter, I see.
Then there’s the weird attempt (“It’s been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama”) to not be blamed for something no one was blaming him for.
Um, Donald, did anyone SAY you or Obama were at fault? He sounds like a kid who gets yelled at too much: “Mom, dad, I know the lamp’s broken but it wasn’t me or my friend Barack. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time in our country, er, I mean household.”
Then, of course, there’s the shameless and indefensible part. Can you imagine any president in history trying to spread the blame to the blameless the way Trump just did? Can you imagine Lincoln saying, “Sure, slavery is bad, but slaveholders aren’t the only ones to blame. It’s everybody’s fault. We’re all to blame. Many sides. Bigly.”
This was the simplest of calls. Trump could have scored easy points with just about everybody – as most GOP leaders did – by strongly condemning the hate groups involved.
But he didn’t, so now we’re left to wonder why.
The obvious answer is he didn’t want to alienate the part of his base that is part of the hate network that is slowly coalescing in this nation.
That shouldn’t surprise anyone. He’s done it before. This is a guy who only grudgingly disavowed the support of former KKK leader David Duke and has been labeled a bigot so often that he’s felt compelled to say on several occasions, “I am the least racist person that you have ever met.”
If anyone still needs convincing that he’s not, his Charlottesville statement should be conclusive.
Maya Angelou once said, “When people show you who they are, believe them.”
Donald, we finally believe you.
Image credit: Donkey Hotey
Tommy B says
Believe me, actions speak louder than words. I agree with the assertion that Trump blew his opportunity to quell the hatred and bigotry he has emboldened with his rhetoric over several years. But his actions really tell the story. He doesn’t like Mexicans so much he wants to build a Great Wall at our southern border. He doesn’t like Muslim’s and wants to ban them from traveling here. He has a Justice Department that is not committed to Civil Rights prosecution and is taking action against Affirmative Action. He doesn’t want transgendered people in the military. His Club is an exclusive one. Only white, rich folks need apply. He makes noise to get poor and middle class white folks to support him but he really only wants to use them to his advantage. He has shown us who he is.
Tired of the BS says
3…2…1…
Time for working dad and the other Trumpsters to try to defend his lack of leadership.
It will probably be in the guise of “free speech” or “History not Hate.
Regardless there is no defense for Trump in this matter. He is one of them and it should be obvious to all.
Andrew Heller says
I think it’ll be the “Oh, so liberals can be violent and no one says anything, but let a few (thousand) skinheads and Hitler worshippers do it, and suddenly it’s a BIG deal” argument. I’m taking odds.
Jeanine Libka says
I thought exactly the same. “Jinx, Coke splurge!” Am I dating myself?
Linda says
I was very concerned by David Duke’s threat, that Trump better remember who voted him into office. These are very scary times. I have read some of the rationalizations of these Neo-Natzi’s, and they frighten me. I have read comments from those who sit back and support them, and they frighten me. How are we supposed to show the world that we are a strong nation when we’re falling apart?
G says
Why should we be trying to show the world that we are a strong nation? We are clearly not. It is more obvious every time 45 opens his mouth.
Suze says
The chaos in the Middle East….faction against faction, subsets of religions, splinter groups of people in every political party. All fighting against everyone else. Imposing their ideas and will as the only choice.
We’ve seen how well that’s going. America..looks like we’re headed down a road to Mosul if we don’t recognize how this could destroy everything we say we hold dear.
Dawn Webb says
He had an opportunity?????? Give me a break. When he was campaigning he said that Muslim extremist cut the heads off Americans and released the tapes to the world so we must eliminate them all…Kill them. We just watched white supremacist nazi’s roll into town and their leader claim that they were taking their country back and then kill people and the best he could do is blame everyone.
Teddy Luba says
Great editorial Andy. I’m hoping that this finally pushes the moderate republicans to see the president as he really is and that both the democrats and moderate republicans work together to fix our problems with out the presidents input.
Jims says
I said it before and I’ll say it again, this man is delusional and mentally ill. You have in the hands of this lunatic the survival of humankind with the situation in North Korea. I believe the fool will do something stupid just to say I am not afraid of no one and I am the greatest thing on earth. He doesn’t understand the outcome. He scares the hell out of me.
NativeOfMichigan says
Donald is ratcheting up the rhetoric over North Korea in part to direct attention away from the Mueller investigation. This is very dangerous because the next time something comes out in the media about the “Russia thing”, there is the danger he will go berserk and do or say something really, really stupid and cross the line of no return.
Fred says
I have said before that I expect trump will reignite the war in North Korea before the year is over. Being as wealthy as he is and having narcissist personality disorder, he really doesn’t give a damn about anything or anyone who is not directly related to him. No matter what happens, he thinks that HE will be just fine, as the rules don’t apply to him.
Andrew Heller says
I believe it’s a combination of A) Being a vile, spoiled man-child his whole life, and B) early onset of dementia.
Judith Brooks says
Great column Andy. He has truly shown his real identity now. I’m more afraid for my country than I’ve ever been .
Fred says
I lived and worked in Charlottesville for several years, until 2011. When I learned what happened there yesterday, I was saddened and angry. This is not who the people of Charlottesville are. The Governor is correct in his assertion that these white supremacists are outsiders, who do not reflect the values of the citizens of Charlottesville.
These white supremacists made the trek from other states into Charlottesville for no reason other than to spread bigotry and cause chaos. They waved their stupid confederate flags to highlight their belief that African Americans are inferior. They waved their stupid nazi flags to highlight their belief that Jews are inferior. They waved their stupid AR-15 rifles to hide the fact that they are insecure with their masculine, or lack thereof. This is not how men behave. This is how cowards behave.
Anyone who voted for and continues to defend donald trump should recognize that these stupid, arrogant, hate mongering racists are part of YOUR club, and you are who you surround yourself with. If you don’t like that label, then distance yourself from it by strongly rebuking the one guy who has been emboldening the alt-right since his birther movement.
Don’t give me that nonsense about how you think liberals incited the violence or how liberals are the real racists. You are the one standing up for the people waving the nazi and confederate flags, some dressed in white sheets and pointy hats. I think you know exactly what those symbols represent. If you continue to defend that side, then you deserve to wear the same label they are wearing, RACIST.
Jims says
Very good points. The sad thing is I think these people that still support him are just that. Racist hate mongering individuals. Individuals in government that still support are just as bad.
Andrew Heller says
Great comment, Fred. These people – including the Democrats who voted for Trump because they disliked Hillary’s personality – have to own this man then do something to help remove him. I’ve never in my life said a president is dangerous. This man is.
Tim Draeger says
How many times do we have to say “we know who he is” before his 36% finally open their eyes and minds and see him for what he is?
My children and their friends will pay with their lives as he gets us into multiple wars just to hold on to power.
ann b says
You’ve got your wide blinders on today. Yes, let’s go back to President Obama, who always took decisive sides on matters – against the police. But did he ever denounce Black Lives Matter even when they tore up and burned whole streets of cities, and killed police? Also he had a tough time calling terrorism of the extreme Islamic kind what it was. The guy who killed his fellow service men was just called “work place violence”, in other words he just didn’t get along with the guys at the other desks in the room. And the guy and his wife in California who killed his fellow workers, planning it very deliberately, was not denounced by Obama for what it was. Maybe he just didn’t like the baby shower gifts they bought for him. There were many other cases where Obama did not want to blame the side he favored for any part of it.
Trump blamed everyone involved for this event. That should be enough, but no it never will be. Yet, you are right Andy I say that the media does treat these stories differently.
Fred says
So what you are saying is, trump favors the nazis and the KKK and you are okay with that and support it, because Obama refused to label an entire religious group as terrorists because of the acts of a few extremists, and because you think he supported cop killers.
I guess Fox News forgot to tell you that Obama spoke at a service held for the police officers killed in Dallas and strongly condemned violence towards the police while reminded us of the risks they put themselves through to keep our communities safe.
Nobody said all Christians or all white people are evil. We are saying Nazis, the KKK and other white supremacists who promote hatred and anyone who enables them are indeed in the wrong if not outright evil. You seem to be saving that you disagree. I guess we know which side of the line you would had been on yesterday in Charlottesville.
ann b says
You should learn to read better, because that is not what I said in your 1st paragraph. I simply pointed out that Trump DID blame everyone involved and that should be enough, no matter the color, race or affiliation. Yes, I know that Obama spoke to a group in Dallas, but only after he had not stood behind the police in many other instances.
And I do agree that Nazis, KKK, etc. are evil, and never implied otherwise. Don’t put words in my mouth.
Fred says
Trump avoided pointing out that one group’s sole purpose was to promote hatred and intolerance. So no, his vague condemnation is not good enough.
Only one side was waving nazi and confederate flags, dressed up in klan outfits, yelling racial slurs and carrying rifles. Without that one side there wouldn’t had been the other side.
The websites for those very same white supremacists are at this very moment praising trump for not specifically calling out their hate groups.
He is enabling them and you are enabling him. What does that make you?
Tired of the BS says
Annnnnd we have our first response that can’t defend the Orange Monkey and tries to turn it back to Obama.
There is no defense of Trump in this matter. None. Nada.
Tom says
Oh, I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixieland I’ll take my stand,
I’ll kill and die in Dixie,
Away, Away! Away down south in Dixie!
Real Americans HATE this rebel-flag Nazi stuff! Trump tolerates you, but the rest of us abhor you! What kind of car did that murderer use to kill that woman, and to hurt nineteen other people? Was it an American Chevy or a Ford, or did he use a foreign car? Ironic? Preposterously evil?
Southern white folks: Start covering up your accents! We hate the Southern idea! Please start masquerading as actual humans.
Rick DeSalvo says
True Lefty Andy … your brother Joe was right handed and a pretty good pitcher in his day … Of course the hatred that the left has been spewing for the last 2 years didn’t have any thing to do with anything … this time … maybe yes … maybe no … and as for picking door #1…. you just picked door #2 … for once I would love for a fucking Lib to say … ” Maybe we should take a look at OUR rheteric ” Just once…. Too much to ask… That would involve looking at the truth of a matter … something that the left is not willing to EVER do …. I hope they take that fucker and pull his fingernails and toenails out and anything else that would cause him so much pain and agony that he wishes he was dead … Donald Trump is a fucking idiot… but he’s right about one thing … There is plenty of blame to go around on this one … It’s not him or Obama … it’s this fucking violent society we live in these days and the left has fed this attitude for years and have gotten a pass on it ….. But no one on the left will ever admit that …. Too much truth there for the left … You better stay in lower Michigan Andy … not enough snowflakes in the U. P. yet for you … Maybe when you retire … you can have a rush week or month for snowflakes united … I’m a proud Independent and you fucking geniuses run HILLARY FUCKING CLINTON against Trump ….. BRILLIANT !!!! She’s the only person in the USA that COULD have lost to him !! You fucking morons nominate her !!! That alone should have gotten you a years worth of great columns …. How fucked up is the Democrat Party these days ?? Bye the way … 2 families of state troopers are hurting this morning also … I know that one went right past your head but it wouldn’t have killed you to mention them …. If you did please accept my apology … but i haven’t seen it … Yeah Andy , there’s plenty of blame to go around …. pointing the finger at Trump is getting way too easy … thought you had a little more imagination than that …
Andrew Heller says
I agree on Hillary. Worst candidate at the completely wrong moment. Dems are to blame. And of course it’s a terrible thing about the two troopers.
Jim III says
Where to begin. I know I will start with a little family history. My fathers great grand parents arrived here in America in 1870 or so. My dad’s mom’s family fought for the north in the Civil War.
My ancestors on my moms’ side fought against the south. Fact is our ancestry goes to the War of 1776.
This history was given to shut the bigots like Tom, Fred, Jim says, and Judith Brooks try to scream that I am some sort of racist or some such.
As I have said before liberals and those in the democratic party are the real racists in America. If you do not fall in lockstep with their policies, you will be labeled as a not very nice person.
The KKK was founded in the south by former white slave owners. The South voted mainly pro democratic.
Today’s KKK traces its roots back to the southern KKK. However, the “modern kkk” have been trying to imply that they are republican in nature when in reality they are not. The Republican party has never endorsed their beliefs. Having said that the democrats are trying to erase history by removing statutes of southern leaders is a deliberate attempt to start a war. They are people who fit in very well in George Orwell’s book 1984. If they are successful they will try to change history to have Abraham Lincoln as a democrat and Jefferson Davis as a republican.
Did President Trump denounce violence in his statement? Yes he did. What the liberal establishment did not like was that President Trump lumped everyone into his statement.
He blamed the left as well as the right along with those in the middle.
The major media networks are beating this horse to death. They only want to the right side of the political spectrum to be blamed for all the violence in the nation.
People like Tom, Fred, Jim Says, Judith Brooks and others on the left is that according to Lenin they are useful idiots. Just like the white Russian were to Lenin and like the nazi brownshirts
were to hitler.
I ask you Andrew and your supporters how many brownshirts were there in Germany in September 1939 when hitler and stalin invaded Poland? The answer none.
When hitler finally managed to get complete control in Germany after 1935 or so,
he disbanded the brownshirts by either killing them or sending then to the concentration camps.
BTW the brownshirts also had LGBT’s in their ranks.
Hitler, stalin, mao and others of their ilk were socialists. Democrats in today’s lingo.
I am sure that Fred and Tom along with others will try to twist my words to mean something else.
Fred says
These Nazis and KKK members are in your club. You can deny that all you want, it won’t change the fact. I assume you realize that these groups are very racist. They are in your club, and your president did not denounce them. You own that.
Tom says
Jim-Bobb III: Your post here is borderline-illiterate. I could help you with your writing, even if not with your shallow thinking, and your incapacity to think for yourself.
Maybe we could make an arrangement where I would edit your posts, before you stick them up in the faces of the whole world, so that you would not embarrass yourself, every time you take to your keyboard. Five bucks per post? For help with writing clearly and correctly? Please think about it, and let me know.
Working Dad says
None of the violence associated with Charlottesville is tied to President Trump, conservatives or Republicans. Liars in the liberal “media” who attempt to tie KKK oriented groups to anybody other than the Democrat party (their founders) are putrid, false, ignorant, hate filled pieces of garbage.
BLM and ANTIFA attacked their “opponents” with bats, improvised explosive devices, pepper spray, tear gas bombs, knives, fire bombs and urine bombs. BLM and ANTIFA are absolutely domestic terrorist organizations and need to be prosecuted for their conspiracy and violence. (Life sentences)
Donald Trump is still president. He will not be removed because of liberal lies. He is YOUR PRESIDENT. Have a nice day and try not to hate so much.
Fred says
A Nazi terrorist borrowed a tactic straight out of ISIS’ playbook when he drove his car into a crowd of human beings. I don’t see you calling him out for that behavior. I wonder why.
Working Dad says
I wonder if Democrats, BLM and ANTIFA will start rioting, burning, assaulting, etc at various liberal controlled cities across America over this next week?
Hmmmmm?……
Working Dad says
12:50pm EST – 8/14/17
President Trump just have a compassionate, informed, empathetic, insightful speech regarding the issues in Charlottesville this last weekend. His inspiring words will be appreciated by knowledgeable, caring individuals.
Let us appreciate his words and sentiment in love.
Tired of the BS says
Too little, too late.
The Orange Monkey already showed his true colors.
He had a chance to be a leader and he dropped the ball
Working Dad says
New video has emerged showing that the Charlottesville driver who hit many people (killing one – injuring 20 or so) was in fact under attack in his car prior to the crowd collision. Could he have been trying to escape a perceived Reginald Denny assault from the ANTIFA/BLM mob? Please see the video.
https://www.allenbwest.com/2017/08/14/new-shock-theory-emerges-charlottesville-drivers-motive-blowing-minds/
Fred says
You found a video of a guy taking a swing at the car after it was already flooring into a crowd of people.
You sure are going out of your way to defend a Nazi. Could that be because you are a despicable piece of racist garbage too?
Working Dad says
The video was posted by Lt. Col. Allen West. He is a decorated US Army veteran. (retired) The video clearly shows multiple rock/brick strikes and at least one bat strike by ANTIFA/BLM mob members prior to him gunning the car. Do you want the video evidence suppressed?
Tommy B says
When you say decorated do you mean plea bargained? “In 2003, West was charged in an incident that involved the beating and simulated execution of an Iraqi policeman. After an Article 32 hearing was held, West accepted non-judicial punishment, was fined $5,000, and allowed to retire as a lieutenant colonel.”
He also was a one term Congressman who got voted out of office because he was such a divisive and ineffective representative.
As to your video, the guy protected by being in a car is in fear of pedestrians who he is racing toward? It is too bad the guy who recognized this asshat was going to run folks over, and swung at the car as he was accelerating, wasn’t one of the White Supremacist types doing the open carry thing. A good shot might have stopped the murderer in his tracks from killing one person and injuring 19 others.
I’m never amazed at your dimness.
Jim III says
Fred, No matter the truth is, if it does not fit your narrow bigoted world view, you will always spin it to fit your views.
The 20 year driver of that car was called a republican voter within a few minutes of the news being put out that an idiot ran over a bunch of not so peaceful thugs.
I have been reading reports that the mayor of Charlottesville tried to deny the “nationalists ” parade permit, but was told he had to issue one. So the nationalists had the proper permits to march. Those that came to oppose them had no such permit. The way the major lame stream media have been covering this travesty would make goebbels proud. Goebbels had a very slick tongue when it came to spinning news to fit the nazi programn. Goebbles followed the teachings of one of the cabinet staff of Woodrow Wilson.
Fred you may have a good position in any future socialist (communist) literature writing. You are somewhat good at taking history and changing to fit your views.
I want you to show/explain where and when the republican party has ever endorsed the views of the neo-nazi’s.
Those marchers in Charlottesvile are not members of the republican party. They may claim to be, but they are not.
As one commentator opined if the blm and antifa had not gone in looking for a fight, the march would have been held and there would have no trouble.
Those like the mayor of charlottesvile who want to rewrite history or flat our erase are no different than ISIS who destroyed a lot of historical artifacts in the Middle East. They did so to force their way of life on the local population.
The modern day democratic party is doing the same thing.
Fred says
Did you seriously just call Heather Heyer a thug?
Working Dad says
The ANTIFA/BLM mob was attacking with rocks/bricks/bats. A very large number of violent, criminal, thug bastards were in their numbers. I know nothing of Ms. Heyer but she was in the midst of violent, hate filled, raging lunatics. Such maniacal hordes should always be avoided.
Fred says
That is the latest rhetoric coming from the Alt. Right Nazis, and of course you believe it, because they are your people.
Your video doesn’t “clearly” show bricks being thrown, but it does clearly show a car speeding towards a crowd of people at the very beginning of the video. And by the way, it’s not a video at all, it’s a looping gif image that only shows a quick two second fragment of what they want you to see, so you can convince yourself that someone was attacking the car, to back up your belief that white Nazis are good people.
Where is your VIDEO evidence?
Tommy B says
You seem to know Nazi history very well. That explains a great deal.
Tommy B says
Not you Fred. I was referring to Jim III.
Fred says
Nobody said they are members of the Republican Party. We said they are Trump supporters, just like you. There is even a video out with David Duke making it clear that they are all Trump supporters. These are YOUR people, Jim III. Every last racist one of them is in YOUR club.
I do consider myself quite the history buff. However, in all the time I have been commenting on this blog, I do not recall a single time I brought up decades or centuries old history to back up my position. So I ask again, what the heck are you talking about?
Working Dad says
At this moment, Democrats are illegally pulling down southern statues, threatening to kill anybody who gets in their way.
In New York, Democrats are swarming around Trump Tower vowing to burn it down, killing everyone inside when President Trump arrives.
This IS THE DEMOCRAT PARTY….
Tommy B says
No. This is not the Democrat Party (by the way it is Democratic Party, but you guys never did get that far in English class I suppose).
Taking down the statues of the failed south and racism and bigotry should have been done a hundred years ago.
Trump Tower would be tough to burn down. There is no need because your fearless leader is flaming out all on his own.
Fred says
You racist scum have no place in America. Get the message.
I am watching the New York protest live right now and it as peaceful as can be. You are full of crap and you know it.
Tom says
Fred, compadre, I am on your side, and I give you enormous credit for trying to answer our irrational trolls. But, I suggest you disengage. The things they write are unhinged fantasies Mostly unoriginal stuff they read somewhere else, and just repeat here. Often, they do not even understand what they repeat here. Best response, I believe, is to let them hang unanswered, twisting slowly in the wind, hanged by their own ropes.
And, I really want to know: What kind of car was that Nazi murderer driving? Probably a German car? Volkswagen? BMW? Mercedes?
Fred says
It was a Dodge Charger. One of the retro ones.
I appreciate your concern.
Tom says
A patriotic car.
Tom says
In Little Italy in my hometown, I have been trying to erect a statue of Benito Mussolini. Mr. Mussolini was an important, prominent leader, back in the 20th century. But, the damnable liberals have opposed my efforts. For some reason, they keep preventing me and my group of American Patriots from putting Benito up on a pedestal, here in Grand Rapids!
Unjust liberal suppression of our free-speech rights, and of our altruistic attempt to beautify our community!
Fred says
And in Germany liberals are arresting and fining people just for imitating a Nazi salute or possessing any form of Nazi contraband. We are so lucky we get to prop our racist heroes on a permanent pedestal here in the good ole U.S.A.
Working Dad says
and today Democrats spray painted ANTIFA messages including the F bomb on the Lincoln Memorial.
Fred says
And you know this is ANTIFA how? That makes no sense.
A young woman died and several people were injured and all you care about are statues. You really are piece of garbage. You know that right?
jim III says
Tom, Fred and Tommy B all of you have blinders on. You refuse to understand history. When someone points out facts from history that are true you deny them. When it comes to violence from blm and antifi you are like the three monkeys, hear no evil, see no evil speak no evil of those groups.
What I write is not unhinged fantasies. It is in the history books newspapers of history.
But, the way the democratic party is trying to erase history (their history btw) you might find yourself living in your supposed utopia for a short while. Then it will come crashing down.
I want to know how many members of the republican party have for rioting and other forms of protest the democratic party? How many riots have been started by members of the republican party members?
No, I am not talking about those rino’s (Republicans In Name Only) who are actually descendants of the democratic kkk. If you want to start tearing down statues and renaming buildings, streets and other items named after southern racists, start with Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond both democrat congress members of the 1940’s through the 1990’s. They both were well heeled members of the kkk during their terms of office in congress.
Fred says
You bring up history because you have no defense for today. These white supremacist groups are in your club right now. Can you defend that?
Actually, I don’t think even you know what you are talking about. You are almost incoherent. I am starting to wonder if you are skipping your medication.
Working Dad says
Martin Luther King Jr. was opposed to gay marriage. According to the Democrat party, all of his statues need to be pulled down and pissed upon.
Fred says
You know you could do the world a favor and crawl back under the rock from which you slithered. You have nothing positive to offer society.
Suze says
I just ask that Friday night on the campus of UVA be remembered. This was a preview of what the group came to do.
Torch carrying group march onto the campus disrupting a prayer service at the chapel. Students on their campus quad surrounded and some assaulted. Chants against Jews, our blood our soil, and worse. Police called so people could safely leave a CHURCH for Gods sake! There was no permit for this. They came to arouse passions and it was clear as day.
Tommy B says
Trump has come out again today and showed his true colors. He is a racist, and all of you who support him are racist. God have mercy on your souls. You can deflect with your incoherent statements about Democrats, BLM and AntiFa, but that just demonstrates you don’t like liberals, people of color and support fascism. Wear it like a crown deplorables. I am going to chose America first and the words of our forefathers, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Put that in your”Alt Right” pipe and smoke it!
Jim III says
Fred, you are the one that has no defence.
You scream rant and rave. You spout a lot of words , but you Andrew Heller, Tommy B and various others here cannot or will not try to refute what I have written. Instead of reasoned dialogue you resort to name calling, inferring that someone needs to take some sort of medicine or you spout some other sort of attack.
Tommy B says
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
That’s why we don’t want to argue with you Jim III or working dad. It isn’t worth it. I wish you would just go back to your right wing blogs and wallow in your happiness there.
Tom says
That darn Trump turned back again today, and tried to blame the dead woman for her own death-by-patriotic-American-automobile! He went back to the assertion that. “both sides,” were to blame! Awful creep! Bloody-minded ninny!
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-defends-all-sides-comment-n793001
Fred says
It is worth pointing out one beautiful thing that has been happening because of Trump; all the good and decent people of America have been coming together to defy him and do the right thing. Last night, while most of us were sleeping, four massive statues depicting the confederate traitors were removed in Baltimore, Maryland.
I know some will argue that this is an attempt to rewrite history. All I can say is, if you get your history from staring at a statue, you really ought to try cracking a book. It is a whole other experience.
Working Dad says
I am very happy to see the felon vandals (3 so far) under arrest for their violent, malicious ISIS style destruction of a historic statue in Durham. They need to be charged with every associated crime and upon conviction, can serve all sentences consecutively. They can also have all of their assets seized until the total cost for statue replacement plus interest is achieved. If they lose everything they have or ever will accumulate in life, very well.
Fred says
How do you feel about the Neo-Nazi being arrested for his “violent malicious ISIS style” murder of Heather Heyer? I still have yet to see you denounce that in all your outrage about statues of confederate traitors.
Are you too much of a coward to answer? I think you are. Lets see if you prove me wrong.
Working Dad says
Let him be tried and if convicted, serve his sentence. I don’t recall anyone saying to let him go. Nobody has to answer to you in order to “prove their bravery”.
Hillary lost – Get over it
Fred says
I recall you trying to defend him and insisting that he was under attack. Did you change your mind?
Trump won, why are you so angry?
Tom says
Hillary won by over two million votes!
Tom says
Maybe, compare our Vietnam War Memorial, in Washington, with these Confederate statues, down south.
Our Vietnam Memorial commemorates the tragic deaths of good Americans, our rank-and-file draftee soldiers, in that tragic misguided monstrous fiasco of a war. As far as I know, there are zero statues of our American generals from the Vietnam War. We do not celebrate General Chesty Westy Westmoreland for losing, for failing, for killing in vain. No. Instead, we remember the honorable ordinary soldiers who died under his incompetent leadership.
On the other hand, almost all of these Confederate statues celebrate the failed, losing, racist Confederate leaders. They are not war memorials in the same sense as the Vietnam Memorial.
Back to Vietnam: There MAY be some statues of the worst American leader, President Lyndon Johnson. If so, though, no Johnson statue ever would celebrate his role in the Vietnam War. Maybe Johnson gets credit for his Civil Rights record, but he certainly was devilish as Commander In Chief, the opposite of a hero, as regards Vietnam.
Working Dad says
Now Democrats are calling for depictions of George Washington to be removed from public. If the do not get their way, they will riot, burn loot and kill.
Tom says
Baloney! Your pal Trump is the person who brought up this preposterous idea.
Tom says
Daddy, George Washington was involved with the Revolutionary War. That was four score and seven years before the Civil War. The current dispute relates to the Civil War. Different issue.
Working Dad says
You are proven wrong yet AGAIN!
https://m.youngcons.com/sanitizing-history-now-liberal-wants-george-washington-removed-from-public-spaces/
Fred says
That must be one of those “real news” outlets, only you and donald trump are privy to.
“Chicago pastor James Dukes, who has run unsuccessfully for Chicago Alderman”
It sounds like he has some muscle.
Tom says
Okay. But, Geo. Washington is okay. We all like him. However, that darn Andrew Jackson was a big problem. Before he was President, he was a genocidal Indian Murderer. Do you know that Native Americans mostly do not even accept $20 bills, because they righteously hate Andrew Jackson?
The Idea in Chicago to change Jackson Park to Jesse Jackson Park or Michael Jackson Park is brilliant.
Jim III says
“There is a certain class of race problem solvers who do not want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they will have an easy medium through which prominent before the public.” That is the whole matter in a nut shell. The radical leaders of the anti- Trump bunch want President Trump removed from office. They do not care what the consequences will be. They suffer under the delusion that they will get into power and control the nation. Those who support them will soon become disillusioned with the way things are going and they will start to protest. The groups like blm and antifi think that they will be able to cause trouble like they are now, but they will find out the hard way that the ones (democratic party leaders) will not put up with such activities. The democratic leaders will send in enough law enforcement types to shut them down.Andrew Heller, Fred, Tom and the others who hate President Trump will find themselves under attack by those that will be in power at that time.
As for the quote that started this missive, it is a quote by Booker T. Washington. If you do not know who he is, look him up.
Fred says
Your paranoia is noticeably higher this afternoon. You better find your medication, quick. Before you become a danger to yourself and others.
Tommy B says
Fred, quit feeding the trolls it just encourages them! Lol!
Fred says
Sorry. I will try. I am not convinced they will ever go away though, they are like stink on doo doo.
Tom says
Jimmy 3, Barely literate. Silly. Remedial writing class recommended.
Working Dad says
The Democrats who defaced the Lincoln Memorial spray painted “F@#K LAW” on the historic, treasured national monument.
Tommy B says
Breaking news: Trumpanista’s arrested for defacing Lincoln Memorial in revenge over Trump’s claim that only Lincoln was better President.
Sorry about feeding the troll but I couldn’t resist!
Fred says
I don’t see why that would bother you. You made it clear that the confederate statues that depict the traitors who fought Lincoln are your priority.
Working Dad says
Yikes! – ANTIFA Democrats crashed Heather Heyer’s funeral with bats and shields to make a political statement.
The poor woman’s family couldn’t even bury her in peace because of crazy Democrats.
Fred says
They showed up to pay their respects and support her family. They even painted their shields purple, her favorite color. Her father openly thanked them for being there.
Tommy B says
So if you don’t like ANTIFA, you must be a fascist. Now I understand your support of Trump.
Fred says
I noticed he has a lot to say about groups who stand up to hate, but has not condemned Nazis or the KKK. Once again he is showing us who he is.
Tom says
Working Dad, What kind of car do you drive? Do you have a distinctive vanity license plate? WRKNDAD, or some such? I ask, because I would want to know if you ever came to my neighborhood. So that I could warn my family and my neighbors to stay off the streets until you crawl back to wherever you live.
Working Dad says
I own multiple vehicles and firearms. I carry a handgun daily. You seem obsessed. Maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror.
Fred says
I bet those firearms make you feel like a big man, huh?
Working Dad says
Still obsessed huh?
Fred says
The only reason you mentioned your firearms is because you’re an insecure little prick.
Working Dad says
Yep – You’re still obsessed!
Fred says
Almost as obsessed as you are with your image.
Tom says
Daddy, You cannot tell an insult from an actual question. Probably, you cannot tell your butt from your actual elbow, either. You should not be walking around with a firearm.
Working Dad says
and now Democrats tore down a Peace Monument in Atlanta. Will the Democrat vile, putrid, hate filled rage ever end?