Come Heller high water …
- Trump the day after the Las Vegas gun massacre: It’s too soon to talk about gun control! Stop politicizing tragic events! Trump the day after the truck slaughter in New York: The Democrats are to blame! We need immediate action!
- Pathetic? Yes. But, honestly, did you expect anything different?
- This is shallow and selfish, I admit. But, dammit, I just started getting into “House of Cards” and now it’ll never have an ending. Ah, well. The plot of the Trump presidency is way more bizarre and entertaining, anyway.
- Even if it were continuing, I doubt I’d be able to watch. Even Frank Underwood wouldn’t have been lame enough to say, “I honestly do not remember the encounter, it would have been over 30 years ago. But if I did behave then as he describes, I owe him the sincerest apology.” Spacey, you’re an actor – couldn’t you have at least hired a writer to write something better so you didn’t come off like the poster child for Feeblest Apology Ever?
- Wait. And now Dustin Hoffman admits he sexually harassed a woman. Dear Hollywood actor/director/producer guys, let’s save everyone time and just do this: All those who DIDN’T sexually harass or assault a woman in your career, please step forward.
- Honestly, I can’t believe women don’t keep males in cages after we pass the age of 10. What is it you see in us? Have we not proven that we can’t be trusted?
- So you remember when the Detroit Lions were 2-1 and Lions fans were – no lie – saying they were Super Bowl bound? I wrote: “What Lions fans always forget is they’re the Lions. Clouds are clouds. Cows are cows. The Lions are the Lions. And as such, they will implode at some point.” Sure enough, they’re now 3-4 and looking an awful lot like … the Lions. You can’t fight fate, people.
- Why do they continue to employ Eric Ebron, anyway? For years now, when my son drops a pass I throw him in the backyard, I say he Ebroned it. So if I can see the guy has cement blocks coated in grease for hands, how come they can’t?
- The CIA released Osama bin Laden’s captured journal this week. I haven’t read it yet but for some reason I’m really hoping it turns out he loved binging on “Keeping up with the Kardashians,” just because it amuses me to think of him in a cave talking to the TV and saying, “I do not get it. What does Kim see in this Kanye West fellow?”
- In his video collection – and this is true – they found a documentary called “Where in the World is Osama bin Laden?” It’s too bad he’ll never see the sequel: “He’s at the Bottom of the Arabian Sea.”
- His collection also included – also true – “Antz,” “Chicken Little” and “Cars.” It’s hard to imagine the world’s greatest terrorist watching kid movies, isn’t it? Maybe he watched them with his kids. If so, he probably experienced the pain and agony of watching a movie for 50 days straight, which is wonderful to imagine. If there’s a God, Osama will watch those same movies over and over again for all eternity … y’know, down there.
- Our Republican-controlled state government – after helping to cause the Flint lead disaster and delay the recovery – now is exploring the idea of mandating cities across Michigan to replace lead lines. Good thing, right? Except who’s gonna pay for it, especially since the state long ago slashed revenue sharing, meaning every city and town in Michigan is scrimping for money. Aren’t Republicans supposed to be against unfunded mandates? Oh, that’s right – only when they’re the other party’s unfunded mandates. Gotcha.
- “All cruelty springs from weakness.” – Seneca.
Teddy Luba says
Yep, in Vegas over 50 people died and hundreds injured and nothing happened. The best politicians money can buy.
Working Dad says
You should not be complaining about President Trump or anybody else being outraged by the decades long sexual predation so prominent in liberal Hollywood culture. You should want to see those who rape adults and children punished. You should want to see a culture change in liberal Hollywood.
You sound like a whiny little brat. No gun control would have stopped the Las Vegas, ANTIFA, liberal, Democrat from murdering and you know it. You just like to stand on bodies while you howl for law abiding Americans like me to lose our God given, Second Amendment rights. The Las Vegas murderer was one of your own Andy, as are the Hollywood rapists and the Manhattan truck driving, murderer.
The root cause is liberalism and Democrats.
Teddy Luba says
Can you tell me why anyone needs a bump stock or a gun that holds hundreds of rounds of ammo. I just want a simple answer and I don’t think that God has given that right to own guns to kill other people.
Fred says
He has a canned answer for that.
I would like to know where he gets his fake news. The Vegas shooter was not known to be affiliated with any political party, much less ANTIFA, but he was confirmed to be a white, upper middle-class gun loving gun nut that the right bends over backwards to protect.
Suze says
Garbled thought, off topic, combining Trump outrage and sexual predation in a sentence! That’s rich. And BTW Hollywood, liberals and Democrats are not the whole story of sexual predation and privilege. It’s in every town and business. We’ve seen it in sports, medicine, law enforcement, religion and mall clerks too. Changing Hollywood culture won’t stop what happens everyday everywhere. Voting R doesn’t guarantee you keep your hands to yourself and your zipper up.
Fred says
Also accused of repeat sexual harrassment and assault, Donald Trump, Bill O’Reilly and Roger Ailes. Millions of dollars were paid in settlements.
If working dad wants to change Hollywood culture, stop making guns a fixture in the movies is a good place to start, but we all know he only wants to change the things HE doesn’t like.
NativeOfMichigan says
And then there is “holier than thou” Jim Bakker who has a greased zipper on his pants.
Working Dad says
I don’t think I have ever seen a “gun that holds hundreds of rounds of ammo”. Please enlighten us.
Fred says
You know what he means, 100 round surefire mags for AR15s or a drum for AK47. Now quit playing dumb and answer the question.
Working Dad says
I do not presume to speak for him. I will let him clarify.
Fred says
Can’t help but notice that you are a coward when it comes to responding to me.
Teddy Luba says
What Fred said is exactly what I mean.
Fred says
The root cause is you and people like you.
Jims says
So you have a president that says just grab em by the blank. He also walks in Miss America paegent dressing rooms unannounced with teenage woman in various stages of undress. He was accused by many women of sexual assault but that’s ok because he is a republican.
Andrew Heller says
Not just liberals and Democrats, but Care Bears and Rainbow Unicorns, too!
Kathy says
Amen, Fred.
Working Dad, you sound very much like a whiny little troll.
Jim III says
Andrew and other liberals that opine here. No matter what President Trump does you are going to whine and complain about it.
The Las Vegas shooter was a democratic voter years ago. The lame stream media buries stories like that. The only shooter that did not have either a direct or indirect to the democrat party. Was the man who tried to murder President Reagan. He was trying to impress a hollyweird actress.
The majority of assassins had democratic/socialist views. I challenge Fred and others to compile a list of republican mass shooters. I do not think that he or any one else can do so. Yes, there could be a couple maybe.
I disagree with Working Dad about the New York truck driver being a democrat. He was and is a faithful adherent to the teaching of mohammad. He did to the “infidels” in NYC what koran teaches. Yes, I have read the koran. In the beginning mohammad taught to get along with the other tribes in Arabia. When they rebuffed his teachings, his words became more militant. Leading to verses that urged faithful followers to either convert, subjugate or kill those that will not believe in islam. In the beginning of the koran there are a few good poetic verses. Towards the end of the koran the poetry disappears.
The truck driver did not “radicalize” after he came to America. He was well versed in the teachings of the koran long before he came to America. He just started to carry out the teachings taught in the last part of the koran.
Back in 2008 my services were used by a mosque in the Flint area. They called me up on a Tuesday to work on some equipment. I arrived at the mosque a short time later. There was a line of SUV’s outside the mosque. I rang the doorbell and finally someone let me in. They were in a meeting with a imam who arrived a few minutes before I did. I listened to some of his sermon. He said that suicide was not taught in the koran. That the murder of innocent women and children was not in the koran. He spoke of a few other things. His picture was on the walls in the office area at that time. I got called back a couple of weeks later for another problem. The pictures of this imam were no longer hanging on the walls. Some other pictures of other imams were in his place.
As far as bump stocks go, I have opined in other columns that there is no need for such a device.
NO gun control laws would have stopped the shooter in Las Vegas.
Are the liberals going to try to impose truck rental control laws? They are being espoused by isis to use trucks to murder innocent Americans or any one else that will not submit to islam or sharia law.
I have said enough for this column for now.
Fred says
Please compile your list of mass murderers since Reagan and show us how you know for a fact that they were liberal democrats. And Your fake news documentation isn’t going to cut it.
You brought it up, the burden of proof is on you.
I’ll start; Dylan Roof, is he a democrat, Jim III? How about Tim Mcveigh? Was he a democrat, Jim III?
Teddy Luba says
I’m sorry, but if there was limit of shells, lets say six, that a gun could hold that death rate in Vegas would be a lot less. We are not even trying in this country to change gun laws for the safety of the public. Where are my rights when it comes to this?
Fred says
Let’s assume you are correct and all mass murderers are liberal democrats. What are you proposing we do about that? Gun control to liberals? Round up and kill liberals? Where are you going with this argument?
Jim III says
Teddy Luba I seriously doubt that you know which end of gun that a bullet comes out of.
As usual you live with the delusion that more gun laws will protect people from gun violence.
If there were limits on only 6 rounds in a magazine and no bump stock, death toll could of been higher. When you can only fire one round at a time your accuracy goes up. I have fired thousands of rounds of ammo with various automatic weapons. Accuracy goes down when you fire full auto. On the M16A1 when you fire full auto the weapons raises up and goes to the right when you fire full auto. No matter how hard you try to hold it straight and level.
Fred, here is a couple of left wing democratic murderers. John Wilkes Booth a southern democrat who murdered Abraham Lincoln. JFK was murdered by Lee Harvey Oswald. Oswald was a democrat. James Garfield was murdered in 1881 by Charles Guiteau a democrat. William McKinley shot in 1901 by a democrat.
I do not know what political party that Tim McVeigh belonged to. He may not have been a member of either political party. Tim hated the American government in general.
Dylan Roof was under 18, therefore we cannot determine if he had any political leanings.
The list of democratic, socialist leaning mass murderers is a long one.
Fred, as usual you cannot list any. Since you cannot list any definite republican shooters, you try to evade the issue by changing the subject to a list of liberal murderers..
Donald Trump did walk into a dressing room with female teenagers changing clothes. However, none of the young women claimed that they should go to bed with him.
Slick willey has had far more grievances listed against him. hilliary did her best to brow beat and otherwise destroy the women that said slick raped them.
Harvey weinstein is a generous democrat supporter. I will not to much about him.
I will state one more thing about the faithful adherents of islam. Under islam being a member of the lgbt group you would be sentenced to death. I do not knopw of any republican that would endorse such a thing. Women are chattel under sharia law.
Teddy Luba says
Jim III, I have hunted for over40 years so please don’t think you know everything about guns. From a window above a crowd of people a gunman with a gun that holds a hundred bullets does not have to aim, he just needs to pull the trigger fast enough. There is no reason for the public to own a gun like that, name one state that allows you to hunt with that type of gun. Maybe your getting ready for a civil war, is that it. What are you going to do with your gun against tanks. You better try to change the laws so you get a cannon.
Working Dad says
You have hunted for over 40 years and you spoke of a mythical “gun that holds hundreds of rounds”? I doubt you claim. Nobody who is even remotely experienced in firearms would make such a wrongful statement.
Teddy Luba says
Tell me how many rounds that mythical gun had that the Vegas shooter used. How many guns did he buy in one year and what kind, if our gun laws are so good now should not the amount of guns and ammo he bought in a year raise a question to law enforcement? I want to know why you think these type of guns need to be sold? Where are my rights to be safe from loony tunes who bought a gun legally but turned out nuts.
Fred says
Honestly Working Dad, I don’t think you really know anything about firearms. You just like to hold them and carry them around, because you are so insecure with your masculinity and you think it makes you look intimidating.
Your are not answering his question because you are just a troll and have no interest in a contructive dialogue. And you avoid responding to me because you are a wuss when you can’t brandish your pistol.
Fred says
If the list democrat liberal mass murderers is so long, why can’t you come up with any within the last 20 years?
Fred says
You are the one who keeps claiming your information is FACT. It is up to you to back that up, I don’t have to do anything but sit here and laugh at how irrational you are.
Fred says
Again you didn’t answer my question. What do you think we should do about the liberal democrat mass murderer sexual deviant problem?
Fred says
Two things we can safely assume:
1. Trump will not say anything about the white guy who walked into a Walmart yesterday and killed three random people, then walked out like it was nothing.
2. Working Dad and Jim III will tell us he is a liberal democrat, without a shred of evidence to backup their claim.
Teddy Luba says
I would not doubt that gun was bought legally. Mr. President, how about some extra vetting on those who want to buy guns. Let see some common sense and not bought politicians.
Fred says
Apparently the 2nd Amendment is more important than the right to live.
Jim III says
No matter how much proof and facts any right wing leaning person can bring to the table, you will deflect it , change the subject matter and or insist on more facts.
You need to come with a list of republican shooters. You have failed to do so. Instead you deny what facts I present. It is in the history books who the presidents that I listed were murdered by left leaning democrats. Or do you believe in your mind that the facts that I listed about the murders of the presidents as false?
Teddy Luba you claim that you have been hunting for over 40 years. The loony toons that you write about are usually left leaning persons. There are laws on the books that outlaw murder. Yet murders keep on happening in all sorts of ways. You cannot legislate morals or human behavior.
Prime example: prohibition. Made a lot of gangsters rich along with the politicians they bribed.
What good would it do for me try to list all the guns and ammo that the Las Vegas had smuggled into his room. I do not think that such a list was released by the police.
The largest amount of ammo held by a drum magazine is 100 rounds. I can tell you that sometimes they do not work properly. Even 20 or 30 round magazines can foul up and become unusable . .
As I have stated before I have fired a lot of fully automatic weapons.
The longer a gun is fired the riskier it gets to shoot it. A gun can malfunction if it gets too hot and when it gets too hot it will cause problems with using it.
The only weapon that can “hold” hundreds of rounds does not exist.
The only kind of automatic weapon that can fire 100s of round are belt fed machine guns. The .50 cal “Ma Duce” , the M-60 and other types of machine guns. You hook a bunch of ammo belts together and you can fire off a lot of ammo. However, a person cannot own a machine gun like that unless they have a class 3 (?) dealers permit. If you had the permit, you still have to be able to afford the machine gun itself. They can run into the 5 figures plus easily. They are not easily concealable.
Fred you 11:25 p.m. comment about a liberal sexual deviant problem and what to do about it.
There is no easy answer. There may not be a real good answer. With the mass murdered shooter problem, maybe we should ban all democrats from owning guns. Sexual deviants run on both sides of the aisle. when they are caught off to prison and counseling. I doubt that counseling would help a majority of them.
Fred says
So you are in favor of depriving the 2nd Admendment from anyone who is considered a democrat?
Teddy Luba says
So Jim III you apparently think I’m a liar. I own 10, 12 ,16,and 20 gauge guns. All single shot. I believe in giving the game I hunt a chance, to me that is the true sport of hunting. Anyone who practices enough with a scope and gun that shoots 150 yards can kill a deer. Take away that scope and cut down that shot to 60 to 70 yards while sitting on the ground and now you have sport hunting. I don’t own the rifles you are talking about but I still want to know why anyone would want a gun that can hold a 100 rounds of fire. Can’t hunt with it, so to me it’s useless. Why do you own one?
Fred says
Teddy, I know you want Jim III to explain, but I feel I need to set the record straight here, because he and working dad are definetely going to exploit this,
The 2nd Admendment doesn’t say anything about hunting. That is where the typical misconceptions from the antigun lobby come from, that we have the right to bear arms so we can go hunting, and therefore have no need for high capacity magazines.
The 2nd Admendment was given to us by our forefathers after they had ousted the tyranical British rule, and it was intended to be a guard to prevent another tyranical government from becoming established in our country. When the people are armed, they are not so easily oppressed.
However our forefathers did not foresee the advancements in firearm technology nor the decline in moral standards and mental health. Now the chances of innocents being murdered by a gun toting maniac far outweight the chances of needing an armed civil uprising against the government.
Even with someone as deranged as Trump in office, our system of checks and balances protects us better than any armed militia ever would. Today the real threat to our lives and limbs does not lay with the government, but with the millions of citizens who are in possession of guns, as statistics of undeniable facts show.
Suze says
And the phrase” well regulated” seems to be omitted from conversations on the 2nd amendment.
Fred says
Well it also doesn’t say “a well regulated militia has the right to bear arms.” , but it does say; “the right of the PEOPLE to bear arms shall not be enfringed.”, and implies that is because a well regulated militia is neccessary for a free state. In other word, the people are the well regulated militia, as is the definition of militia – an armed civilian force.
Now there are those who argue that “well regulated militia” means the National Guard, but it doesn’t. The National Guard is state givernment force that does not fit the definition of militia.
People can actually band together and become very well regulated, without government influences. It happens all the time in many different aspects of life. And it is worth noting that much of the fight during the American Revolution did not involve our continential army in blue coats, but militias formed out of the various communities in the colonies and lead by common civilians.
Teddy Luba says
Fred , I know what the 2nd amendment is about but thanks for making it clear. My question for them is what are they arming up for? Why is it that they can’t buy machine guns since the 2nd allows us to have a militia? Someone made a decision that it was to dangerous for the public to own that firearm. Doesn’t that go against the 2nd.? So why can’t we limit fire power of todays guns? The gun industry and NRA keeps pushing and getting around current laws so they can make big bucks and our political leaders could care less as long as they get the money.
Working Dad says
“I own 10, 12 ,16,and 20 gauge guns.”
LOL
You don’t even know enough about firearms to call them shotguns. You have zero knowledge of firearms.
Teddy Luba says
Really, your hung up on the word shotgun? There guns , just like a riffle is a gun. I like to inform you that a shotgun is a gun. You haven’t answered my question of why you need a FIREARM that can hold a hundred round of surefire mags?
Working Dad says
“a hundred round of surefire mags”
Again…. There is so much lack of firearms knowledge in this statement as to fully reveal you have zero knowledge of firearms.
ZERO KNOWLEDGE
Working Dad says
I am waiting for you to talk about 20 gauge “guns” that can accept “banana clips” so the “gun” “holds hundreds of rounds”…..
LOLOLOLOL
Teddy Luba says
Answer my question Rambo.
Tom says
Here is the whole text of the Second Amendment:
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Repeal it. And replace it with something such as this:
Congress shall permit citizens to bear arms for reasonable sporting and protective purposes. And, Congress shall regulate the possession, production, and commerce of arms and ammunition in the interests of public safety.
Working Dad says
So you fully agree that until such a Constitutional Amendment has passed Senate/House forward followed by required state ratification, no such restrictions exist…. I agree with you!
Tom says
Maybe we could find a way to put this to the people. The American people probably could out-vote you unhinged heartless bloody gun nuts.
Jim III says
Fred, I have no opinion on the Wal-mart shooter. I have not seen anything on the lame stream media or Fox news either. There is still a need for the average sane citizen the constitutional right to bear arms(weapons). The battles at Concord and Lexington were over the British army going to those towns to confiscate all the guns, ammo and gun powder located in those towns.
Side note: Too many Americans do not realize that among those killed in one of those battles was a freed black slave. I do not remember his name. He was bought by his “master” maybe in the 1750’s.
His “master” treated him the same as an indentured servant. He did teach him to read and write.
The “slave” worked during the day and at night he was allowed to create/make things that he could sell and keep the money for his own use. After 7 years his (Master) freed him.
The former indentured servant bought his own farm and worked it. He was elected to the office of township clerk or some such office.
He answered the call to defend his town when called upon. For his efforts him and 2 others died by the hands of the British. He was buried with full military honors by his white neighbors.
end of history lesson.
Tom says that the ability to keep our guns should be in the hands of Congress. What a very bad idea. Tom says is lacking critical thinking skills. CONgress can change political parties every once in a while. There could be a CONgress that could be inclined to revoke such an amendment.
Taking a single shot shotgun and going up against a “law enforcement” agent of the federal government there to take your shotgun from you and you needed it to hunt food for your family and you say no. You are dead toast.
Are you willing to change the 1st Amendment to allow CONgress to regulate free speech?
Fred is correct the 2nd Amendment says “the right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I do not remember the court case, but the Supreme ruled a long time ago(1890 or so) that the National Guard was not the same as the militia. When the 2nd Amendment was written the militia meant that “all able bodied, peaceful and LAW ABIDING male citizens between the ages of 18 to 45 were to consider themselves as part of the citizen militia.
Today retired members of any of the armed services receive what are called “Hip Pocket Orders”.
They may retire after 20 years, but they are still subject to being recalled to active duty if there is need for them to be reactivated. At one time it was 50, then it went to 60. There are a few who have HPO’s that do not end until they hit the age of 65. Even then there is a chance that it could go beyond the age of 65. They may not be able to fight in a war, but they can navigate, fly or do something else behind a desk.
Then reason that the general public cannot have machine guns and tommy guns.
It goes back to the roaring twenties. Gangsters like Al Capone, John Dillinger and other bad guys used such weapons. People got tired of the murders being done those criminals. The old movie scenes showing them driving down the street and shooting from a car are based on a few incidents that actually happened. When they were shooting at the intended target, they sometimes had over spray and killed innocent bystanders. Any one could lawfully own such weapons. in the early 30’s bowing to citizen pressure CONgress enacted laws to regulate such weapons and only those weapons. A person can still own such a weapon, but they have to go through a rigorous background check, pay a hefty licensing fee, Then they would be issued a class three federal permit. Any violation in the use of that permit carries some hefty penalties.
Teddy Luba says
So why doesn’t congress make it illegal to have bump stocks and firearms that can shoot a hundred bullets without reloading? We probably lost more people to these guns than the innocent bystanders of gangsters using machine guns. But as a nation we do nothing.
Fred says
Because NRA owns the GOP.
Fred says
Here is another piece of trivia for you. The 2nd person killed in the Boston Massacre was a slave.
The reason the age limit for Hip Pocket Orders keeps getting extended is because life expectancy keeps increasing in the country. 40 used to be considered middle age, now it’s 50. It will go back down when Trump is done destroying the environment.
Anyone who is not familiar with firearms, please don’t feel a need to pretend you are. It is glaringly obvious when you are not. There is no shame in being unfamiliar with guns.
Jim III you still didn’t answer my question. Are you in favor of depriving the 2nd Amendment from anyone considered Democrat? Or were you just joking?
Tom says
Fred – Please do not encourage Jim III’s interminable illiterate posts. Do you actually read them? I have to skip.
Suze says
Your history is not accurate. His name was Crispus Attucks. It was dubbed the Boston Massacre probably as incentive to rebellion. A street confrontation 1770, due to a unpaid bill by a British officer. No call to defend the town. More an angry mob. Yes he was shot along with others and was considered the first to die.
There is little known for sure about him except an ad offering a reward for him as a runaway slave.
Jim III says
Fred, Here is the answer to whether or not democrats should not be allowed to posses guns.
I am in favor of all those democrats and any other person who wants to shut down the 2nd Amendment be not allowed to have guns.
The initial list of persons who I would ban from having guns are the following: Billionaire Bloomberg, Diane Feinstien, Gov of NY Coumo(SP), Gabby Giffords husband, Mayor De Blasio NYC and any other who wants to disarm peaceful law abiding citizens.
Funny thing about this list all the above listed have either armed guards to protect them or they have concealed carry. Diane Feinstien of CA had a concealed carry a few years ago, but I have heard rumors that she does not have one anymore.
Gabby Giffords husband applied for and got a concealed permit after she was shot. He then immediately turned staunchly anti-gun. He wanted a gun for his and Gabby’s protection from someone. The thing is she was shot by a man who is a liberal and he was on legal drugs when he shot her.
Bloomberg and others think that they should have guns because they are special elite persons. In their minds they are better and more important than anyone else.
There are right leaning persons on other sites that I visit that opined that they might barely support gun control if all those who want guns restricted even more would give up their gated communities and their armed guards along with all other guns that they have in their possession.
Fred says
It sounds like you are in favor of a form of gun control to approximately half of the population. As absurd as that is, and the underlining similarities to a common practice by authoritarian leaders who disarm their enemies before killing or imprisoning them, I will consider it a step in the right direction. Welcome aboard.
Jim III says
No, the ones pushing gun control are not half of the population. It is a smaller numbers of leaders that consists usually around 10% of the population with a whole bunch of useful idiots to help them achieve their goals. The democratic left leaning socialists know that they cannot achieve their goals unless they disarm the general population. They are also being aided and abetted by those that act like they are republican in nature, but are moles that work under the radar to accomplish their goals. Because of the internet and other non-traditional methods of mass communication has so far disrupted their goals.
You will probably scoff at such a thing, but it may happen. There may all sorts of trouble before it happens.
That is why the phrase ” those that do not study history will repeat the mistakes of the past” .
Hitler disarmed the German population, then when the nazi’a took over a nation they would go to the authorities and seize the gun registration forms and round the guns.
Teddy Luba says
Hitler also used the term “lying press” to brainwash the Germans to his way of thinking. It sounds like we are repeating the mistakes of the past already.
Andrew Heller says
As much as I hate to use the Hitler comparison, Trump does seem to be following the Dictator Lite handbook, denouncing minorities, political opponents, the media etc. His dark suggestions that’s he’s not happy about the limits on his power are the scariest of all. The only question is whether the GOP is going to stop him.
Andrew Heller says
Jim, you’re just wrong. Not that this will stop you. Here’s a story with some of the latest polling data – a majority favor reasonable gun control.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/gun-control-vegas-polls-243647
Working Dad says
Andy – Would you favor some “common sense Democrat control” since almost every mass shooter is a liberal, Democrat nutbag?
Don’t hate the children Andy. It is “COMMON SENSE DEMOCRAT CONTROL”.
Tom says
Hey, Andrew! Can you limit some of these long preposterous troll posts? Maybe you could set a rule that no poster here can post more words than your own original post? Total, for any given Heller post? You probably can find some software to count the words, and cut these twits off, and of course, cut the rest of us off as well, if we go on too long.
Concise incisive comments will serve you much better than all this overflowing blah-blah you have to put up with now.
Andrew Heller says
I figure they don’t hurt – I don’t read them they go on too long. I assume others don’t as well. It’s good finger exercise for them, though.
NativeOfMichigan says
It’s kind of like all the tweet, tweet finger exercise by DT.
Twitter-de-dee, Twitter-de-dee,
The Dump tweets in his sewer with glee,
Says the Dump, says he,
“Will you twitter with me,
And follow me into my sewer, please, please?”
Twitter-de-dee, Twitter-de-dum,
Trump is a soulless dwerp who treats you like scum!
Fred says
You really ought to read them. They are funny as hell.
NativeOfMichigan says
They also stoke up the migraines.
Jim III says
fools mock but they soon shall mourn.
Maybe my comments do go on too long sometimes.
One thing about posting comments is learning the mindset of those who respond.
Andrew is quite correct if it is too long do not read it. Then again too many people have short attentions spans. Plus their ability to comprehend some subjects is beyond their mental capacity.
I notice that tom is all in favor of censorship when someones opinion does not match his own.
Fred is a little bit more tolerant than tom. Some of the others are in between. I am not goig to even try to analyze everybody. Cannot be done.
Trump haters are going to be Trump haters no matter what.
As I have stated earlier Donald Trump was not my 1st choice for president. I am no the only republican voter who feels that way.
Fred says
I am going to go ahead and politicize this.
Today there was another senseless act of gun violence, where more than 20 people were murdered when an armed man walked into their church and began firing. This being in Texas, you would think there would be a least one good guy with a gun who could had put a stop to it, but no, it just didn’t work out that way…again.
So I am wondering if Trump and his Republican Party, who are so hell bent on keeping Americans safe, can hurry up and get their boatloads of thoughts and prayers out of the way, so we can have a real discussion about our gun problem in America.
Next time this happens, it might be your own family caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. The longer we continue to kick this can down the road, the more of a reality that scenario is going to become for each of us.
Working Dad says
It appears that the Texas church, mass murdering shooter is Devin Patrick Kelley. His Facebook page shows him as a Trump hating, ANTIFA, liberal Democrat who vowed to wage war on “white Christians”. He was shot and prevented from killing more by a law abiding citizen who had a firearm.
Fred says
This is how the right rolls when there is a mass shooting:
“Please, please let him be Muslim.”
“Damn! Not Muslim. Please, please let him be black or latino.”
“Damn! Not black or latino.”
“He is ANTIFA!!!”
Working Dad says
Facts are an inconvenient truth for Democrats. The murdering bastard was a liberal, ANTIFA Democrat. We need common sense, Democrat control now.
Jim III says
Last update: one member of the church was able to get outside to his vehicle and started shooting back with his rifle. The cowardly shooter ran off and the police found him dead later. Do not know if the man who shot back wounded him and the shooter died from his wounds or he committed suicide.
According to most state laws, including Michigan, you cannot carry concealed a gun in church or whatever is the religion’s house of worship. So if you belong to a church you cannot by law carry/wear a gun into a house of worship.
The real discussion is not gun control. A gun in and of itself cannot kill anyone. It takes a human agent using the gun to harm someone else. Just like a knife cannot harm someone until a human agent picks it and starts stabbing someone. Let us include trucks, like the one used in NYC.
It probably been rented quite a few times before the faithful follower of islam used it to murder those 8 individuals in NYC.
Andrew Heller says
That’s a dumb view, Jim. Just dumb. Sorry, not trying to be insulting but when’s the last time you heard someone stab 26 to death? White guy terrorism with guns is far more dangerous than radicalized foreigners. We do not have to get rid of all guns to make society better and safer by getting rid of guns that fire a lot of bullets fast. Period. You don’t need a magazine fed rifle for self protection or hunting, period.
Teddy Luba says
Thank you Andy. I’m so tired of hearing its not the gun that kills but the person pulling the trigger. Our government has given the right to the mentally ill to get the weapon for the most BANG for the buck, in the least amount of time.
Fred says
So what IS real discussion, Jim the 3rd?
Jim III says
Andrew, How many people died in Paris by the muslim who drove a truck through a crowed street and murdered all those people. I want you Andrew to list any time that a gun, knife, sword, bow and arrow etc… of its own free will get up and kill anyone?
The answer is never, it took an human agent to do such a thing.
The only thing coming close to be insulting is your view that the weapon is the cause of death.
As working dad pointed out the shooter was the white male, member apparent.y of antifa and he hated President Trump. His views are on his face book page. NO body on the right is making this up. Those are his own words.
The left when they here about such events are hoping that someone on the right is responsible for the event. So far there are no events caused by anyone on the right.
It is the left that is full of hate.
Fred no matter what the right does, men like you are going to go into denial mode.
There is no such thing as a radicalized muslin. The teachings of islam is to kill those that will not submit to islam.
In islam members of the lgbt groups are killed by muslims. Muslims have crucified a lot of Christians along with other religions that will not submit.
I do not know anyone who is advocating taking such violence against lgbt groups.
Fred says
Look at you, Jim III. As usual, you are talking about everything, except the matter at hand; that just about anyone in the U.S. who is over 18 can purchase a rifle and high cap mags and go on a shooting spree. It doesn’t matter if they are democrat, republican, arabic, white, mentally ill, or just stupid. There is hardly nothing in place to stop them. That is the discussion. This could happen to church you and your family attend.
Jim III says
Fred remember when seconds count police are minutes away.
Unlike you I have looked down the wrong end of a gun while I was unarmed.
I drove around with an S-10 pickup with a couple of bullet holes in it, courtesy of gang bangers
in November 1998. I happened to be driving down Pierson Road in Flint. When I noticed a man being chased by the angry gang bangers who were upset with him for wanting his furniture back that they took his apartment and put it in their apartment. If I had been armed at the time of the shooting I would not have stopped and engaged them in a firefight. I just kept driving away as fast as I could. I also had a few rounds go by ears when I was in the military. Those rounds were not in a war zone.
There is no law that can be in place to stop someone from carrying out an act of violence. I would
much rather have the ability to fire back than to be there unable to do anything about it.
As another commentator on another site opined: If everyone obeyed laws, then there would be no murders or whatever since Moses came down from the mountain with the 10 Commandments.
What I want to know how the Texas shooter got his guns with his Bad Conduct Discharge from the USAF. He had a felony conviction on record, but he still managed to legally pass a FBI background check. The system did not work and somehow did not put his name on the do not list to buy guns. That is a bureaucratic paperwork failure.
Why did the antifa, felony record shooter shoot up the church? Maybe we might a story or reason for it in the future.
Fred says
Actually your information is inaccurate. He purchased that rifle in 2012. He was convicted in 2014.
Your chances of being a hero with a gun are very slim compared to your chances of being a victim of one.
You are still avoiding the real point. I am sure you are not carrying an AR-15 with 30 round Mags, in case you run into angry gang members. Or are you?
Working Dad says
Keep in mind that liberals want “gun control” so that law abiding citizens will be disarmed, making us easier to murder. Liberals WANT criminals to more easily murder law abiding citizens. Liberals know full well that gun laws do not prevent criminals from going on shooting sprees. Liberals WANT more dead, innocent, law abiding citizens. Liberals WANT more dead children.
Fred says
I am liberal on most issues and I don’t want anyone murdered, including you.
Jim III says
Fred, no matter what “cure, answer” that is presented to you will not accept the answer/cure.
The only thing that will satisfy your questions is your way or the highway or the concentration camp.
You and others like you think that getting rid of guns will automatically bring in a “golden age” of humanity. Your are delusional.
Humans have been killing each other in all ages of recorded history. Getting rid of guns will not bring in an age of peace and harmony.
Freedom only exists when the government fears the people. Tyranny exists when the people/slaves are unarmed and fear the government.
That is why hitler, lenin, mao, stalin and other despots disarmed the general populace.
But, you will continue to deny history and deflect any reference to those men by trying to claim that such a thing can happen here.
Fred says
Ok We’ll just keep making it easy for any nut to buy a rifle and magazines and kill families while they attend church, go shopping, or see a movie, just in case a tyrant comes to power and you need to srand up to him. Your right to protect our freedom when you see fit far outweighs the right to live without fear of being gunned down, just because someone had a bad day.
Tom says
Jim III, you appear to be a dim-wit. You are the kind of guy who should keep quiet, and try to learn from people who have normal intelligence. Jim III, your long stupid posts add nothing. Please try writing a couple concise sentences, and then waiting for replies.
Did your elementary school teachers and your drill sergeants not tell you to shut up, and listen, and learn? You write such dopey stuff, I do not even believe your story that you were in the US military. They would not have taken anybody as dopey as you. Please stop boring us with your looooong silly writing! Please go away forever.
Jim III says
The only dim wit here is you. The only way you think that you can make a salient point is to insult and demean anyone who does not share your views. In short, you are a bully.
The only reason that my posts may not make sense to you is because most of it does not fit our view of life.
Most of my life I have endured listening to people like you preaching that they were more aware of things in the world. Too many of them would try telling that they were smarter were often were either drinking or smoking dope along with other illicit narcotics and they were liberals. This was the time of the draft.
I was a Drill Sergeants for a number of years. I had at 8 other different military specialties.
Fact is I got tagged by some of my troops as the funnest drill sergeant. It has been more than 30 years since I wore the DI hat.
Most of my elementary teachers were liberals. They had their pet students and those students became their pets because they parroted what the teachers said. One teacher preached that Russia and communism was far superior to America.
There are more things that I could write but you seem to have a short attention span and cannot comprehend things that do not fit your world view.
Working Dad says
The man who shot the murderous bastard and prevented him from killing more people is an NRA instructor. God bless this man.